easymoney03 - 3 Feb'04 - 23:43 - 1864 of 1951
what a fucking bore this thread is ye jacknife is a tool but do we really need to post it every time ??????

gotes - 4 Feb'04 - 08:18 - 1865 of 1951
easymoney, I agree. It's a shame someone who can actually put up a decent argument (I'm not saying he's right) gets a childish response like this.

gunnergonk - 4 Feb'04 - 09:34 - 1866 of 1951
gotes+easymoney>
if you take the time to look back as far as october 03 you would see that to start with jacko and sprocket and knitwits posts were answered and discussed in detail and everything was as it should be, it is now after several months of perssistant posting of the same arguments that the shareholders have decided to ignore and devalue their comments.
believe me if you had to read the same "copy + paste" crap they post on a daily basis im sure you would be as you put it "childish"!

Dusseldorf - 4 Feb'04 - 09:48 - 1867 of 1951
easymoney / gotes / others -
Please use this thread to discuss trading in AZH the cash shell
http://www.advfn.com/cmn/fbb/thread.php3?id=5730763

PaulKent - 4 Feb'04 - 09:51 - 1868 of 1951
gunner...also, if I had "chanced" upon a thread that was interesting but in which i had no material interest, i would prob stick around for a couple of days, make whatever points i wanted to, enjoy the discussion/argument...but thenm most certainly MOVE ON and leave em to it as one usually wants to spend ones limited time on the actual sstocks one is invested in or considering.....im sure most genuine investors with a life do this...so what other reasons could people have for staying so long ?!

Anomalous - 4 Feb'04 - 13:24 - 1869 of 1951
>gotes and easymoney

gunnergonk and PaulKent are 100% correct.

We have put up with Jacko, Sprocket Fool and Knitwit's lies for far too long. Any reasonable investor (with no vested interest) would have looked at the board, made a few posts and departed. We welcome honest debate, but Jacko, Sprocket Fool and Knitwit are not honest.

All three of them have posted lies and false information. All three of them say that they have no holding in RSV or AZH. All three of them have denied any involvement with or connection to the MMs. Yet all three of them have unswervingly supported the MMs and denied any wrong doing by their 'masters', in spite of the fact that all three MMs are currently under an Enforcement Investigation by the FSA.

'There's no smoke without fire'

The FSA moved to the investigation extremely quickly. There is far too much damming evidence of the market abuse.

In my opinion, the FSA will find at least one of the Market Makers guilty of a serious market abuse. Whichever excuse the MMs use they will be found guilty of one offence or another. Even the LSE found the MMs guilty of misrepresentation. They supplied letters that corroberated this.

The matter will be sub judice today as the Court papers are presently being issued. Those members who papers are before the Court will have to refrain from discussing the case in public. This includes the Bulletin Boards.

Gotes and easymoney, by all means discuss the case with the Action Group members, but I hope you understand that we are not only fighting to seek justice for our members, but for private investors everywhere. The MMs could easily have perpetrated the abuse on one of your shares.

"There but for the grace of God". I'm sure you've heard that phrase before. RSV had a future without the immediate dilution. The debt would have been cancelled very quickly and there were a variety of solutions that would have enhanced the value of the company. Are any of the companies in which you currently have a holding considering a dilution? Do you know if they are? RSV publicised that they were about to dilute. This attracted the vultures. Rang the dinner bell so to speak. Can you be sure that you are not about to become their next victim? The MMs do not care where they get their money, just so long as they get it. They care about their money more than their children. What other organisation thinks the same way?

Unless this sort of abuse is stopped in its tracks, more investors will become punters waiting to be fleeced of their cash, regardless of how astute they are at their investment decisions.

vanhalen - 4 Feb'04 - 13:32 - 1870 of 1951
Excellent post Anom ..... now wait for the cut and paste response :-)
closely followed by sprocket

reminds me of the Lib democrats and the two david's !!!

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 13:58 - 1871 of 1951
Good afternoon Anom

"We welcome honest debate, "

Well you've started that post with a lie to begin with.

 Debate on this board is stifled.

Anyone who dares to express a viewpoint that differs to your own is shouted down and accused of dishonesty - merely for expressing a view that you don't happen to like. In my particular case you continue to threaten that the FSA will "deal with me" in a desperate attempt to smother open debate. Your idea of "open debate" can be likened to the debate that is supported by tyrannical despot leaders in banana republics. Your opinion on justice can be similarly compared to the "shoot first ask questions later" justice that also occurs in these countries.

"Unless this sort of abuse is stopped in its tracks, more investors will become punters waiting to be fleeced of their cash, regardless of how astute they are at their investment decisions."

You've lost money and you've lost money because you made a poor investment decision. Human nature is such that whenever people lose money the first thing that they do is look for somebody else to blame. But the bottom line of RSV is that shareholders lost money because of their own poor investment judgement. The action group members made a poor investment and now are seeking to blame everyone else under the sun for their own mistakes. It's simply sour grapes on your part.

The only way to stop this happening is for you to educate yourselves. You bought shares in a technically insolvent company that had publicly announced that it was going to have a massively dilutive debt for equity swap. And for some reason you thought that this would be a good thing. Shareholders have to take responsibility for their own investment decisions, even when those decisions are fundamentally flawed, as in this case. If they can't accept responsibility for their own investment decisions then they shouldn't be buying shares to begin with.

thumbtwiddle - 4 Feb'04 - 14:00 - 1872 of 1951
for fek's sake JN you just don't get it do you.

vanhalen - 4 Feb'04 - 14:04 - 1873 of 1951
We would like all people visiting this board to be aware that the RSV Shareholders Action Group considers most of JakNife's posts to be false and misleading. Indeed JakNife has been reported to the Financial Services Authority because of this. Apart from his boring 'cutting and pasting' routine, he uses pseudo-legal arguments to make his point and is often in error. It is our opinion that JakNife is representing the Market Makers and is 'fishing' for information to help their case. These Market Makers performed a serious market abuse on private investors are presently subject of an enforcement investigation by the FSA. Please do not answer his posts or supply any information.

We would also like it to be known the Sprocket tool and Knitwit also talk complete bollox !!! ..... However ..... DYOR :-)

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 14:32 - 1874 of 1951
Hello thumbtwiddle

"for fek's sake JN you just don't get it do you. "

But I do. I understand where you're coming from entirely. However, quite simply, I disagree with you.

It would be a complete affront to capitalism if the action group were now to be rewarded by the courts for having made an investment mistake. For example, some members of the action group only bought shares in RSV so that they could get their name in lights since they would then have to make a 3%+ share disclosure. If people select their investments using such bizarre criteria as this then they are bound to occasionally make a dud investment (or probably more). But it's their fault that they made that dud investment mistake and nobody else's.

thumbtwiddle - 4 Feb'04 - 14:41 - 1875 of 1951
"I understand where you're coming from entirely. However, quite simply, I disagree with you."

Good. if you have the intelligence to understand where i am coming from, please apply equal measure of maturity and self-respect by refraining from the persistent posts that only serve to undermine the case which, by virtue of the fact that it is not yours to make, is unfolding out there in the real world between the legal representatives of all parties involved.

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 15:08 - 1876 of 1951
You see thumbtwiddle you just don't get it do you.

"please apply equal measure of maturity and self-respect by refraining from the persistent posts that only serve to undermine the case"

Nothing that is written here will "undermine the case". The case, and the facts upon which it is based, is either sold or it isn't. There is nothing that I can say or do that will change the facts of the case and thus whether the case is solid or not. All that my commenting does is change the way in which the facts might be considered.

For example, poor old Graham Shore at Shore Capital is still being accused by the action group of having shorted RSV. Yet the action group has zero evidence to support that allegation. I've explained, in as simple language as possible, that Shore Capital's failure to deliver physical stock could actually be explained by another party failing to deliver stock to them. The other party might even be a retail punter who bought stock from EVO and then sold it within a very short timescale to Shore Capital.

I'm not "undermining" your case in any way shape or form, if anything, by pointing out the flaws in your analysis I'm helping you to prepare your case. Your going to look very stupid if you stand up in court and accuse Shore Capital of having shorted the stock and it actually turns out that they weren't.

vanhalen - 4 Feb'04 - 15:11 - 1877 of 1951
"poor old Graham Shore at Shore Capital is still being accused by the action group of having shorted RSV"

Jak ...... i have it in writing !!!

Jak ...... guess what ..........Shores inability to obtain shares from someone else to cover their short isn't my problem ....... get it :-)

Ooooops .... nearly forgot !!!

We would like all people visiting this board to be aware that the RSV Shareholders Action Group considers most of JakNife's posts to be false and misleading. Indeed JakNife has been reported to the Financial Services Authority because of this. Apart from his boring 'cutting and pasting' routine, he uses pseudo-legal arguments to make his point and is often in error. It is our opinion that JakNife is representing the Market Makers and is 'fishing' for information to help their case. These Market Makers performed a serious market abuse on private investors are presently subject of an enforcement investigation by the FSA. Please do not answer his posts or supply any information.

We would also like it to be known the Sprocket tool and Knitwit also talk complete bollox !!! ..... However ..... DYOR :-)

jmillskeel - 4 Feb'04 - 15:11 - 1878 of 1951
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thumbtwiddle - 4 Feb'04 - 15:13 - 1879 of 1951
JN - Its time you moved on.

Manchan - 4 Feb'04 - 15:42 - 1880 of 1951
yep JN lets agree to disagree, ok !!?? thats a good lad.No MORE.

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 15:50 - 1881 of 1951
Hello vanhalen

"Jak ...... i have it in writing !!!

Jak ...... guess what ..........Shores inability to obtain shares from someone else to cover their short isn't my problem ....... get it :-)"

Whilst I agree with the gist of what you're saying your logic and use of language is fundamentally flawed.

If Shore Capital failed to deliver stock to you because another party had failed to deliver stock to them then Shore Capital were NOT SHORT. I find it quite incredible that you still can't understand the difference between (a) being "short" and (b) not having physical stock available to deliver. It strikes me that if you can't understand the basic concepts like this then you are probably consigned to never understanding the more complex issues of your legal case.

PaulKent - 4 Feb'04 - 16:01 - 1882 of 1951
hey peeeps..on a slightly different tack..as an exercise to kill half an hour be4 i fetch my kids from school, ive been trying to visualise the type of person who would post (often smugly and vindictively and delighting in what THEY perceive to be others misfortunes) on BBs where they have no material interest, where they have stated that they dont even believe a worthwhile debate is occurring, and yet where they KEEP COMING BACK in the absence of anything else to do with their time...and i drew the following conclusions...

I wouldnt like to go out on the lash with such a person
I wouldnt like to be stuck in a lift having to chat to them on our own
I wouldnt want them to come to my parties
I wouldnt employ them
I wouldnt want to have lunch with them
I wouldnt want them as a brother in law
I doubt they have mates they do stuff with
I imagine they subconsciously feel insecure and have a desire to be MR BIG somewhere safe and non-threatening
I think they consciously feel superior and look down on most people
I doubt they inspire loyalty
I doubt they make people laugh
I bet they get riled when they feel insulted instead of laughing it off as a good crack and getting on with life...

Of course, Im sure nobody who posts on here will recognise themselves, so im sure noone will take offence, as i wouldnt like to offend of course...

vanhalen - 4 Feb'04 - 16:10 - 1883 of 1951
Jak ....

Tell you what ..... you have got to go on stage tonight and need to buy from me a guitar to perform

OK i say, give me your money and i will get you the guitar in good time for the concert

At 10.00pm just after the crowd have rioted and torn up the place because you couldn't perform. I would fully expect you and road crew to come looking for me to tear me apart.

At 10.30pm .... you find me in some sleazy bar spending your hard earned wad on a couple of beers and a few loose women. My excuse to you is that the guy i was buying the guitar from didn't supply the goods. You and your buddies turn to me and say ........................................

Jak, you fill in the rest

mgstone - 4 Feb'04 - 16:14 - 1884 of 1951
Has anyone still not got their AZH shares in their trading account? I still haven't and am with Fastrade. Not that I want to do anything with them but if they are now on the market again, surely I should have them available? I have not contacted Fastrade yet, just wondered if anyone else had the same problem?

Regards

Hollowman8d8 - 4 Feb'04 - 16:16 - 1885 of 1951
It seems that Jak's not the only one going on. Van seems to be @ it as well. I must confess though, Jaks reasoning seems to be on the button on most points and i don't see why you don't listen and actually investigate as wether he's telling the truth on certain points. One example is the issue of entitlement to vote (i'm raking up the past now). Jak was actually right on that point. Rather than checking with the broker you should have actually checked with the registrar. They would have told you that:- it doesn't matter when you buy the shares, your only entitled to vote when the shares have been registered in your name. Unlike Jacko though- I try not to give out free advice so i won't be pointing out some of your other errors.

Agincourt - 4 Feb'04 - 16:24 - 1886 of 1951
When all this is over I don't think that JakNife's masters will think that he has given them Active Value.

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 16:26 - 1887 of 1951
Hello vanhalen

"OK i say, give me your money and i will get you the guitar in good time for the concert"

In the circumstances that you describe, yes, I would be annoyed. However, your analogy is flawed and does not compare to the actual RSV situation.

The "concert" in RSV's case was the AGM, this was the crux date when you needed to have your shares by so that you could "perform" - ie vote.

However, the action group members entered into the contracts to purchase their shares too late in order to have them in time to actually physically vote at the AGM.

The similarity with your story would be if you had a concert tonight at 10:00pm and you bought a guitar via Amazon that would be delivered in 10 days' time. In that case, when the guitar doesn't arrive by 10:00pm, it's your fault because Amazon told you that the guitar wouldn't be physically delivered for 10 days. Likewise, it's your fault that you couldn't vote at the AGM - you entered into the contract to buy your shares too late to be entitled to vote.

Hollowman8d8 - 4 Feb'04 - 16:29 - 1888 of 1951
Have you thought that he maybe works on the "inside" but not at the mm's? Maybe a Fund Manager/Brokers etc....?

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 16:35 - 1889 of 1951
Thankyou Hollowman8d8 (I think).

muscovie - 4 Feb'04 - 16:45 - 1890 of 1951
JakNife you went to the wrong show, we were going to the EGM

Enforcer01 - 4 Feb'04 - 16:45 - 1891 of 1951
We would like all people visiting this board to be aware that the RSV Shareholders Action Group considers most of JakNife's posts to be false and misleading. Indeed JakNife has been reported to the Financial Services Authority because of this. Apart from his boring 'cutting and pasting' routine, he uses pseudo-legal arguments to make his point and is often in error. It is our opinion that JakNife is representing the Market Makers and is 'fishing' for information to help their case. These Market Makers performed a serious market abuse on private investors are presently subject of an enforcement investigation by the FSA. Please do not answer his posts or supply any information

vanhalen - 4 Feb'04 - 17:04 - 1892 of 1951
Jak .... i disagree !!!

Can you ever remember a time when it has taken over two month's for a trade to be closed.

My anger is directly vented at Shore. The point is that Shore took my money with absolutely no intention of reimbursing me with the 250,000 RSV shares.

I was robbed !!!

There are other points to be made, but am not in a position to discuss because of the 'behind the scenes' activities.

Too much technical information as well for the likes of me to understand fully. So will not discuss without getting into too much hot water with the clever bod's within the action group.

Only hope that the small shareholders come out on top and teach the MM's a severe lesson with regards naked shorting :-)

ps ... no matter which pair of rose tinted spectacles you wear, the MM's have been caught red handed and deserve the severest of punishments

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 17:23 - 1893 of 1951
vanhalen

"Can you ever remember a time when it has taken over two month's for a trade to be closed."

FWIW, I've got one outstanding at this moment in time from something like July last year. But in any case, this doesn't help you, regardless of how long the transaction ultimately took to settle it would not have settled in time for you to vote at the AGM and has actually settled now. Your claim for compensation under the principles of tort will be restricted to a claim for a loss caused by late settlement.

"My anger is directly vented at Shore. The point is that Shore took my money with absolutely no intention of reimbursing me with the 250,000 RSV shares.

I was robbed !!!"

But you've got the shares now and so as a simple matter of law you were not "robbed". Furthermore though, as they have given them to you now it is totally incorrect of you to state that Shore Capital never had the intent of actually supplying them to you - they've proven your claim wrong by actually supplying the shares to you.

"There are other points to be made, but am not in a position to discuss because of the 'behind the scenes' activities."

If the other points are as weak as the above points then there's probably no point discussing them either.

Only hope that the small shareholders come out on top and teach the MM's a severe lesson with regards naked shortselling :-)

If the MMs had actually done what you claimed that they had done then that would be a start for your case. However, the evidence so far presented does not suggest that the MMs actually have entered into "naked shortselling". I've given you an explanation as to what the difference is between (a) being "short", and (b) not having physical stock to deliver. It's clear that you don't understand the difference, I wonder if you really understand your legal case at all?

vanhalen - 4 Feb'04 - 17:34 - 1894 of 1951
Jak .... we go round and round and round and round in circles

I have valid reasons to spring into court action, but as you will understand' i am not in a position to discuss on BB's at this moment in time.

Got to keep my gob shut ;-)

i have become a stifled cookie :-)

Karma Sooty - 4 Feb'04 - 18:13 - 1895 of 1951
JakNife - Kevin - Jak Investments

This should interest you:

http://www.faithmania.com/kevintaylor-article-lordspeaks.html

Karma Sooty - 4 Feb'04 - 18:16 - 1896 of 1951
or is this what you do with your time:

Naughty Rabo

http://home.fuse.net/Kevin_Taylor/Home.htm

Karma Sooty - 4 Feb'04 - 18:18 - 1897 of 1951

Rate Link - Kevin Taylor's Erotic Comics

http://www.hentaibuzz.com/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?ID=188

rocket fuel - 4 Feb'04 - 22:04 - 1898 of 1951
lol paulkent. post 1882, you are trying to visualise the type of person who would "post on BBs where they have no material interest"
we dont all have to blow between 8-£10K to be allowed to post on this board.
on reading the rest of that post i thought it a bit rich that you should then say
"I bet they get riled when they feel insulted instead of laughing it off as a good crack and getting on with life..."
lol big time to that quote, as it was only yesterday that jak was having an obvious laugh and joke about an imaginary response from the fsa and you all had a syncronised panic attack. funny though as i've read a couple of posts by anomalous about an imaginary "£12m compensation package rewarded to rsv shareholders as evo were found guilty of wrongdoing" i didn't hear an uproar over those blatant lies (or was it light hearted humour?)

Agincourt - 4 Feb'04 - 22:11 - 1899 of 1951
I wonder what the logic is with Kevin Taylor having three persona. He is JakNife, Knitcraft and Rocket Fuel.

Whatever for?

Agincourt - 4 Feb'04 - 22:15 - 1900 of 1951
Funny thing that JakNife (Kevin Ryan Taylor) has the time to spend on here.

Any guesses anyone how many companies he is a director of?

A bottle of Champagne to person who guesses right first.

Only one guess each please.

vanhalen - 4 Feb'04 - 22:17 - 1901 of 1951

Agincourt - 4 Feb'04 - 22:20 - 1902 of 1951

JakNife - 4 Feb'04 - 22:29 - 1904 of 1951
Good evening rocket fuel (hic)

"lol big time to that quote, as it was only yesterday that jak was having an obvious laugh and joke about an imaginary response from the fsa and you all had a syncronised panic attack. funny though as i've read a couple of posts by anomalous about an imaginary "£12m compensation package rewarded to rsv shareholders as evo were found guilty of wrongdoing" i didn't hear an uproar over those blatant lies (or was it light hearted humour?)"

LOL, only £12m!?!????

uknighted - 4 Feb'04 - 22:29 - 1905 of 1951
A little bird tells me 26.
Power mad or what?

rocket fuel - 4 Feb'04 - 22:48 - 1906 of 1951
yes jak £12m was the dream. a mere 100x market cap from when they first bought in
(rsv had mkt cap 120k)

Anomalous - 5 Feb'04 - 00:23 - 1907 of 1951
You can't even get your facts straight. Does your nose get longer every day? Stop writing on the BBs and start giving your missus some attention Pinnochio style.

I asked for a £12.9 million fine on the MMs to go to the FSA's coffers for all the trouble they've been put to. They've had to expend a huge amount of their resources to deal with this market abuse. It's only fair that your MM bosses pay for it. After all the MMs caused this abuse, so we don't see why the taxpayer should have to foot the bill. We consider it much better for the MMs to pay their profits for 2002 into the FSA's bank account.

Stop writing lies. we've never asked for £12.9 million compensation. We did ask for £20 million at one point, but we discussed this with our lawyers and they thought it might be pushing the boat out a bit too far. But if the judge wants to award this figure, we'll be more than happy to accept it. Our demands are far more modest. But we're lobbying everyone with clout, No10, HM Treasury, Opposition, FSA, TSC, HOC and Media to make sure that the MMs pay the maximum amount possible.

They'll regret failing to answer our letters in October, November and December. They've forced us to file an action in Court, Now it will cost them far more to settle out of Court.

Anomalous - 5 Feb'04 - 01:29 - 1908 of 1951
Oh and by the way I forgot:

We would like all people visiting this board to be aware that the RSV Shareholders Action Group considers most of JakNife's posts to be false and misleading. Indeed JakNife has been reported to the Financial Services Authority because of this. Apart from his boring 'cutting and pasting' routine, he uses pseudo-legal arguments to make his point and is often in error. It is our opinion that JakNife is representing the Market Makers and is 'fishing' for information to help their case. These Market Makers performed a serious market abuse on private investors are presently subject of an enforcement investigation by the FSA. Please do not answer his posts or supply any information.

We would also like it to be known the Sprocket tool and Knitwit also talk complete bollox !!! ..... However ..... DYOR :-)

rocket fuel - 5 Feb'04 - 06:50 - 1909 of 1951
£20m. lol

Parishmod - 5 Feb'04 - 06:57 - 1910 of 1951
COMPANIES: UK: Room Service investors to sue
By Elizabeth Rigby
Financial Times; Feb 05, 2004

Shareholders in Room Service, the Aim company involved in a short-selling scandal, yesterday moved to sue market-makers for their alleged role in the affair.

Members of the Room Service Shareholders Action Group have filed four separate claims against Evolution Beeson Gregory Limited, Shore Capital Stockbrokers Limited, Winterflood Securities Limited and Comdirect Limited for "misrepresentation and breach of contract".

They plan to file another 30 claims over the next year in the small claims court, which can award shareholders damages of up to £5,000.

It emerged in December that short-sellers had sold more shares in Room Service, now renamed Azure Holdings, than existed. This created settlement problems and left many small investors out of pocket.

Nigel Smith, of the action group, said: "We are suing them for failing to deliver shares to shareholders on the agreed settlement date. The market-makers knew that they had no prospect of completing the transactions by the settlement date, because they had over-shorted and did not have the stock to deliver."

Shares in Room Service resumed trading last week after the settlement backlog was resolved.

In January, the LSE told market-makers to offer shareholders a cash settlement in lieu of delivery of the shares. Shareholders were given the choice between holding out for their share certificates or taking a cash settlement of 11.2p a share. The shares were suspended at 6½p.

Meanwhile, the Financial Services Authority is looking into the circumstances of the short-selling and has passed the case on to its enforcement division.

Evolution Beeson Gregory, Winterflood Securities and Comdirect Limited declined to comment. Shore Capital said: "We have no material position - short or otherwise, in Room Service."

psps - 5 Feb'04 - 07:31 - 1911 of 1951
excellent article

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 11:49 - 1912 of 1951
JaKNife

Careful you don't get weed killer on your Silver Fern.

mgstone - 5 Feb'04 - 14:06 - 1913 of 1951
Jaknife you said a few days ago you don't hold CRB? Why post like you have on the CRB board? Just interested to know? Also a bit strange after reading recent posts that KevinRTaylor started the CRB thread.

KevinRTaylor - 24 Dec'02 - 00:59 View 'KevinRTaylor' profile

JakNife - 5 Feb'04 - 13:36 - 190 of 191

More terrible results:

http://www.uk-wire.com/cgi-bin/articles/200402051245570645V.html

I guess that on the bright side last year they lost £13m and this year they've lost only £6.9m. However, given that they started the year with only £7.3 of equity shareholders' funds then this just further emphasises the complete incompetence of management - they lost nearly everything that they started with!

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 14:13 - 1914 of 1951
JakNife

LOL

JakNife - 5 Feb'04 - 14:15 - 1915 of 1951
Why not mgstone?

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 15:06 - 1916 of 1951
Ah JakNIfe

Into anonymous phone calls now are we?

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 15:10 - 1917 of 1951
Agincourt ..... tell us more !!!

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 15:11 - 1918 of 1951
JaKNife

Obviously too much of the Amber Liquid.

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 15:47 - 1919 of 1951
Just got a phone call.

He asked for Nigel.

I said that Nigel was not at this address.

He asked if this was the RSV shareholders action group and could he speak to Nigel Smith

I said Nigel Smith not here but that I worked with him.

I asked who it was calling.

I did not get an answer to that but he implied (or at least I got the impression) that he was a member of the group.

I asked him if he was on the bulletin board - he sort of said "yes".

I gave him my name and said that I worked with Nigel on the action group.

He still sounded wary and unwilling to give his name.

I felt that I needed to be helpful, so, I told him my name again and confirmed that I was Agincourt.

He said "Thank you for confirming that" and put the phone down.

JakNife

I trust that is a fair summary of the call. If not please correct me, so that we can get an agreed transcript. Of course you could always deny that it was either you or at your instigation.

thumbtwiddle - 5 Feb'04 - 15:51 - 1920 of 1952
 

lol

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 15:56 - 1921 of 1952
 

Very intriguing ..... perhaps an offer is on the way !!!

mgstone - 5 Feb'04 - 15:57 - 1922 of 1952
 

Jak - normally just shareholders or those interested in purchasing a certain share would post on the BB's whether rampers / derampers or genuine posters. I don't just go to a certain BB and start posting some snipits from their results and say, mmm interesting they narrowed their loss but still badly managed etc etc...

That's why I would not. So why?

JakNife - 5 Feb'04 - 17:06 - 1923 of 1952
 

Hello Agincourt

"Of course you could always deny that it was either you or at your instigation."

My preference is to ignore the vast majority of your posts given that your technical analysis is more often then not flawed and your commentary childlike. However, given the gravity of your current accusation I am happy to confirm that I have no knowledge of what you are referring to.

 

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 17:18 - 1924 of 1952
 

LOL

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 17:19 - 1925 of 1952
 

JaKnife

It's not that grave. Who ever it was was not threatening or abusive.

VERY QUICK - 5 Feb'04 - 18:23 - 1926 of 1952
 

I see that the deramping is still going on here, Why should it be my fault that everyone bought RSV shares. I bought these shares in the believe to make money just like everyone else that bought these. Did i hold a gun to everyones head and made you buy them." NO." So dont keep going on that it was all my doing as clearly it was not. I no longer hold the 80000 Azure shares, I took up the offer of 11.2p and got out of this mess. So therefore i no longer have any interest in the outcome of RSV/Azure. Good luck to everyone else who is waiting for there compensation payments. So please carry on deramping me. Just remember it was your own actions that made you buy these shares for a profitable gain.

garbut - 5 Feb'04 - 18:31 - 1927 of 1952
 

Yeah.....I think we knew that already.....But thanks for the reminder.
GB

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 18:35 - 1928 of 1952
 

Very quick .... nice to see you !!!

No one here is blaming you at all

Appears to be the other side using you as the latest vehicle
 

garbut - 5 Feb'04 - 18:47 - 1929 of 1952
 

Vq......Youre still on the Xmas card list.....So stop fretting.

JakNife - 5 Feb'04 - 18:48 - 1930 of 1952
 

Somebody ramped this one across all of the boards VanHalen both here and over on iii. If it wasn't "VERY QUICK" then don't you think that it would be sensible to try and find out who was behind it? It just strikes me as obvious that the original ramper may have been in somehow connected with either the MMs or Chiddingfold.

 

psps - 5 Feb'04 - 18:50 - 1931 of 1952
 

whats the point in buying a ramped share. ?

aslawys DYOR and then either BUY or sell........SIMPLE

Jonck - 5 Feb'04 - 18:54 - 1932 of 1952
 

Very quick - nice to see you again. Hold you responsible? ... no way, its just certain people getting hot under the collar and trying to cloud the real issue.

Jak - get a life - go out and have a nice meal with the girlfriend and forget RSV for a bit - you need to get out more and enjoy life so you can relay some interesting stories to your 'buddies'. The rest of us are enjoying this thread - because we have other interests in life apart from shares....can you say that hand on heart?

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 18:56 - 1933 of 1952
 

JakNife

As you know - ramping a share is an offence - so you are saying that it is obvious that the the MM's or Chiddingfold are guilty are you?

 

garbut - 5 Feb'04 - 19:00 - 1934 of 1952
 

Well I bought a shed load today,because I dont believe that people "Ramp"
shares.
And it would be sensible to find out who recommended these because
congratulations are in order.
GB

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 19:01 - 1935 of 1952
 

Jak ..... in the heat of the moment we are all guilty of ramping or deramping .... only human nature.

Only the gullible would have bought or sold on VQ's advice. ..... DYOR and all that :-)

Can you imagine everypost on all the threads ending with .... However, DYOR !!!

Too buy into a share on the advice of another party without doing a bit of research is very foolhardy. 99% of peeps within the ADVFN network appear to be intelligent and grown-up enough to accept outcomes without having to resort to a witch hunt when faced with a loss. Unless the loss is due to daylight robbery of course !!!

 

garbut - 5 Feb'04 - 19:06 - 1936 of 1952
 

VH......Are you trying to say that my 5 Quadzillion are now worthless!

JakNife - 5 Feb'04 - 19:08 - 1937 of 1952
 

I'm really unsure if there's any point exchanging posts Agincourt, you appear deliberately determined to distort and manipulate comments so that they suit your own personal means.

I am saying that it strikes me as obvious that the share was ramped by somebody since as a simple fact there were numerous ramping posts made both here on ADVFN and also over on iii.

It strikes me that the only people benefiting from a ramp are the people who are selling and so given the circumstances I would be suspicious that the ramper was in somehow connected with either MMs or Chiddingfold. It should be clear from the language that I am using that this is purely conjecture on my part but given the stakes I again express my surprise that you have not tried to find the common ramper that first brought your attention to RSV.

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 19:08 - 1938 of 1952
garbut .... if i were you i would delete the word 'virtually'.
However ...... IMHO ..... DYOR !!!

garbut - 5 Feb'04 - 19:12 - 1939 of 1952
Jaknife,
I take it that you are talking in"Retrospect?"

SILIO - 5 Feb'04 - 19:13 - 1940 of 1952
sorry wrong thread

garbut - 5 Feb'04 - 19:17 - 1941 of 1952
Done!VH.....Ouch,Not!

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 19:19 - 1942 of 1952
Silio ..... makes a change from being on the wrong planet !!!
The 'spaced out' thread is over at DTC !!!

SILIO - 5 Feb'04 - 19:21 - 1943 of 1952
very true, van

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 19:22 - 1944 of 1952
:-)

garbut - 5 Feb'04 - 19:34 - 1945 of 1952
Jaknife,
Have you decided to call it a day.....For today?

uknighted - 5 Feb'04 - 19:37 - 1946 of 1952
Interesting post from the ZOO TECH BB today - Post no.334

"from what i understand if the mm's allow you to sell more than buy it's because they are short of shares. and when they mark the price down in such circumstances (which is termed "squeezing" ) when there is obvious demand for a stock then i would suggest that is called price manipulation (aka market abuse). the fact that 3 out of Zoo's 5 brokers were invloved in the recent "Room Service Group Plc" scandel ( Evolution Beeson Gregory, Shore Capital Stockbrokers Limited and Winterfloods Securities Limited), leads me to believe that one or more of these mm's are up to the same manipulation.

"Price Abuse 1: Even though the volume of shares being purchased was way above the volume that could be legitimately sold by the markets, they artificially kept the price low, when demand should have required them to raise the price, to encourage sales and satisfy their contracts. Under the FSA Code of Market Conduct, this is described in section 1.5.3 (The Code of Marker Conduct) as False or Misleading Impressions.""

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 19:56 - 1947 of 1952
Unknighted

Don't worry - JakNIfe will come up with some laughable bit of sophistry to explain why that is quite OK if done by market makers.

VERY QUICK - 5 Feb'04 - 20:00 - 1948 of 1952
I hope someone took note of AFD, I believe i tipped this one back in october, look at it today perhaps you should also had a look at TMA about two weeks ago. Share buying is crazy.

vanhalen - 5 Feb'04 - 20:09 - 1949 of 1952
VQ ..... cant believe i bailed out of AFD prior to Xmas, although only a small holding, piled into DTC instead, but still on the launch pad, will re-comence count down tomorrow .... very good news this evening :-)

Agincourt .... hope to see you soon, nice to put a face to a name. Will wear a piece of cardboard around my neck with 'vanhalen' written in large letters

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 20:13 - 1950 of 1952
vanhalen

I will look forward to it. Let's hope JakNife turns up as well.

Agincourt - 5 Feb'04 - 20:14 - 1951 of 1952
JaKNIfe

I think you're getting to the ACRUX of the matter there.

greenchair - 5 Feb'04 - 22:56 - 1952 of 1952
VERY QUICK > Thanks for all your contribution early on, on the original thread. Some of your postings led to other things for me personally and some profit was involved. Thanks.

JakNife > I'm not sure if you should be filtering Agincourt or if Agincourt should be filtering you? In this latest argument, who is suing/sewing/suing (bollocks taking to court) who????

Agincourt > I have spoken to Nigel. You must have the same deep voice?

I love this share. The knowledge I have gained in the last 4 months is well worth the investment of time and money I have laid out. Maybe I was so green in the first place that I really didn't think that a scandal like this could happen. Obviously not. How many other low listed AIM stocks have made it to the FT in so many months? How many have been shorted? How many others have been manipulated in the same way

I hope the real story comes out in the end. That is how so many faceless internet surfers, with a taste for investment and research, got together anonymously and took on the London Stock Exchange.

 gunnergonk - 5 Feb'04 - 23:22 - 1953 of 2153
loved reading the latest posts, hi to everyone!
anom> your doing a great job thanks
jacko> get lost u prat
vh> we will all see each other at "THE PARTY"

PaulKent - 6 Feb'04 - 08:10 - 1954 of 2153
re the "party"..how many people on here are going to me me's and MRSHorts YOO party...?..maybe we should combine them??..at least the YOOers would be able to afford to pay for the RSVers..?!!!!

gunnergonk - 6 Feb'04 - 10:17 - 1955 of 2153
paul> its ok i think the RSVers will have enough between us to buy a round of drinks by then!, its a bit sad and lonely on the "future of azh" thread, i wonder why! should have been called the "deserters thread" sorry guys but what happened to "lets stick together"?

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 12:13 - 1956 of 2153
Gunner ... we is stikin' together.

The comfort zone is 'here' where we belong ... not on a slightly alien Azure thread

gunnergonk - 6 Feb'04 - 14:18 - 1957 of 2153
vh> yes i like being here i feel i belong to a little "family" but its gone awfully quiet!

gonzo123 - 6 Feb'04 - 14:22 - 1958 of 2153
In the event this affair ends up in court,are camp followers allowed with banners and are rattles permitted?

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 14:26 - 1959 of 2153

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 14:29 - 1960 of 2153
Gonzo ...... when you say 'camp' ....... Errr .... dont wish to be picky, but would rather we were all batting for the same team :-)

gonzo123 - 6 Feb'04 - 14:31 - 1961 of 2153
Van H i'm refering to the middle ages when the army went in to battle the camp followers followed.Rattles are for cheering 'em on.Could always bring a noose for hanging k.......

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 14:33 - 1962 of 2153
Ok ...... all 'camp' followers welcome :-)

gonzo123 - 6 Feb'04 - 14:39 - 1963 of 2153
Van h camp as in tents.Not any other sense of the word.

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 14:48 - 1964 of 2153

Jonck - 6 Feb'04 - 14:57 - 1965 of 2153
We could have a load of cheerleaders dressed up in waitress uniforms standing outside the court waving their tasles/bobbles/ pom poms - - what are they called those large powder puff things?

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 15:02 - 1966 of 2153
jonck ...... why dont we invite the Central London and Southern Counties Transvestite clubs as well !!!
Cross dressers an absolute must ..... !!!
Ooooohhh and also them rubber wear societies are quite cool !!!

Hmmmm Hmmmm ....... allegedly !!!

Those cheerleaders sound quite appealing :-)

"what are they called those large powder puff things?" ..... knitcraft's ... i think !!!

Jonck - 6 Feb'04 - 15:05 - 1967 of 2153
Maybe Jak would like to come along then. Allegedly he likes that kind of thing.
(Now before you sue me Jak - its a joke. The word alledgedly is being used in the context that I have aledgedly made this up as a joke. At this point you are supposed to laugh. Oh, by the way have you taken the girlfriend out for that meal yet jak)

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 15:08 - 1968 of 2153
Personally .... i think jak is a cross dresser .... JMHO ... DYOR !!!

Jonck - 6 Feb'04 - 15:11 - 1969 of 2153
Better not do research - might find it is true. (again this is in jest Jak, I am not suggesting it is really true. )

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 15:18 - 1970 of 2153
Sorry jonck .... but i have it on good authority that jak is a cross dresser !!!

gonzo123 - 6 Feb'04 - 15:21 - 1971 of 2153
Van H so why is he so angry?

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 15:27 - 1972 of 2153
Doesn't appear to be angry, looks quite happy in a frock, beard is a dead givaway though :-)

mgstone - 6 Feb'04 - 15:40 - 1973 of 2153
We would like all people visiting this board to be aware that the RSV Shareholders Action Group considers most of JakNife's posts to be false and misleading. Indeed JakNife has been reported to the Financial Services Authority because of this. Apart from his boring 'cutting and pasting' routine, he uses pseudo-legal arguments to make his point and is often in error. It is our opinion that JakNife is representing the Market Makers and is 'fishing' for information to help their case. These Market Makers performed a serious market abuse on private investors are presently subject of an enforcement investigation by the FSA. Please do not answer his posts or supply any information.

We would also like it to be known the Sprocket tool and Knitwit also talk complete bollox !!! ..... However ..... DYOR :-)

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 15:44 - 1974 of 2153
mgstone lol !!!

ps .... i was talking about a bloke called Jak who lives not far from me ...

not Jaknife !!!

Weeeeee ..... your in trouble now :-)

JAKNIFE ..... COME AND SEE WHAT MGSTONE HAS DONE !!!

:-)

Jonck - 6 Feb'04 - 16:06 - 1975 of 2153
LOL

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 16:19 - 1976 of 2153
Upon reading the above posts. I feel duty bound to inform all who visit this thread that Jaknife is 'NOT' as far as 'WE' know ...... a cross dresser !!!

We approach Jaknife (from a distance) to humbly request that the above posts are seen in a humourous light and that he / she takes on board the fact that no serious or derogitory inference's were meant with regards to his indoor pursuits / hobbies !!!

mgstone - 6 Feb'04 - 16:54 - 1977 of 2153
VH - oy stop stirring LOL - ok I have edited now!!

All just friendly banter as I am sure Jak knows :) Give a bit, take a bit

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 16:56 - 1978 of 2153
We would like all people visiting this board to be aware that the RSV Shareholders Action Group considers most of JakNife's posts to be false and misleading. Indeed JakNife has been reported to the Financial Services Authority because of this. Apart from his boring 'cutting and pasting' routine, he uses pseudo-legal arguments to make his point and is often in error. It is our opinion that JakNife is representing the Market Makers and is 'fishing' for information to help their case. These Market Makers performed a serious market abuse on private investors are presently subject of an enforcement investigation by the FSA. Please do not answer his posts or supply any information.

We would also like it to be known the Sprocket tool and Knitwit also talk complete bollox !!! ..... However ..... DYOR :-)

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 17:03 - 1979 of 2153

 Jak ... in relaxed mode ..... allegedly !!!

mgstone - 6 Feb'04 - 17:05 - 1980 of 2153
lol

gunnergonk - 6 Feb'04 - 17:15 - 1981 of 2153
oooooo!
JACKO come and see what vh did!

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 17:17 - 1982 of 2153
VH.
Kindly stop posting pictures of my wife on here(how did you get hold of them
in the first place!)?
And her name is Jackie....So get your "Facts "right!
GB

gunnergonk - 6 Feb'04 - 17:17 - 1983 of 2153
your forit now vh he is gonna get the tranny police on you now!

gunnergonk - 6 Feb'04 - 17:18 - 1984 of 2153
garbut did you do her make up for her? with a brick layers trowel!

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 17:21 - 1985 of 2153
If ANYONE mentions silicon...Then I will personally sue them!

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 17:23 - 1986 of 2153
Anyone suggesting that the above posts relate to jacknife's indoor leisure persuits will be sued !!!

I simply wont allow it !!!

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 17:26 - 1987 of 2153
Under section 3.1 para 5 LSE code of Honour.......Its Allowed!

TheManWhoFellToEarth - 6 Feb'04 - 17:26 - 1988 of 2153
love it - love tit

what adVentureous jesters

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 17:27 - 1989 of 2153
garbut .... lol ....... allegedly !!!

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 17:30 - 1990 of 2153
Be careful......Im tapeing all of this!
Because Ive done nothing wrong.

gunnergonk - 6 Feb'04 - 17:33 - 1991 of 2153
lol!

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 17:34 - 1992 of 2153
C'mon Jak ...... proove to us you got a sense of humour :-)

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 17:39 - 1993 of 2153
I posted a few innocent snaps of my wife on the"Models for the future" Web-site
and Vanhalen has "Alleged" that its this Jaknife person.
Back up your allegations VH.
I repeat that I have no connection to any MM or the LSE!

JakNife - 6 Feb'04 - 17:40 - 1994 of 2153
VanHalen, this isn't a laughing matter, you've been a very naughty boy so go up to your room and wait for me to come upstairs and spank you

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 18:03 - 1995 of 2153
VH,
After a lengthy negotiation with the Missus......She tells me that you have
mis-represented her in the Pics youve posted on this thread.
She insists that she is much fatter than you have portrayed her(She actually
said to me that she suspects that youve"Tampered" with the original photos).
Anyway she wants compensation.
GB

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 18:22 - 1996 of 2153
garbut ..... i cant here you, i've been sent upstairs :-(

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 18:29 - 1997 of 2153
Vh,
Then come back to earth!

uknighted - 6 Feb'04 - 18:39 - 1998 of 2153
Vh
When Jacko comes to spank you just pray he isn't in cut and paste mode!!

Thats something else we've learnt about Jacko - probably ex Public School.
Jacko, would you like a fag?

Gunnergonk, noticed your slightly subdued posts earlier. Boro 2 Arsenes 1, probably explains. Go on, have a fag!

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 18:44 - 1999 of 2153
VanHalen

Be careful or JakOff might get you ACRUX his knee.

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 18:54 - 2000 of 2153

OK Jaknife ..... choose your weapon !!!

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 19:05 - 2001 of 2153

 Amazing what you find on google !!!

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 19:18 - 2002 of 2153
To everyone in "The Action Group",My confidence remains the same,i.e High.
Van......Youve got a great sense of humour.....Keep it going.
GB

Jonck - 6 Feb'04 - 19:31 - 2003 of 2153
confident of what garbut.. Vanhalen is going to get a spanking? As mentioned no rule in the LSE (Lust Sex and Eroticism)Handbook against it.

garbut - 6 Feb'04 - 19:38 - 2004 of 2153
Confident that officialdom will get 'Spanked"(Albeit out of sight of the Public)
GB

JakNife - 6 Feb'04 - 20:38 - 2005 of 2153
Rocket Fuel

JackTheKnife-ADVFNRSV1111

@onestopbox.com

if you want to chat off-board

send a short text message and post the message here an hour or so later so I can verify that it's you

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 20:51 - 2006 of 2153
LOL

Jak is trying to pretend that he is not Rocket Fuel.

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 20:59 - 2007 of 2153
JakNife

There seems to have a clerical error.

For your occupation it says "banker".

Must be some mistake, surely it can't be a "B"..........

TheManWhoFellToEarth - 6 Feb'04 - 21:33 - 2008 of 2153
this is a good game can I play too Freddie you nambie pambie girly Secretary

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 21:50 - 2009 of 2153
TMWFTE

Anyone can play - except the ?anker JakInv

TheManWhoFellToEarth - 6 Feb'04 - 21:54 - 2010 of 2153
ooohhh, look at that

dissolved
dissolved
dissolved
dissolved
dissolved
dissolved
dissolved
Liquidation !!!!!!!

I bet there's an interesting story behind that failure.

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 21:55 - 2011 of 2153
TMWFTE

That's an interesting allusion - to what I wonder?

TheManWhoFellToEarth - 6 Feb'04 - 21:56 - 2012 of 2153
Wakey uppy at the bakc - here's a quick question for you, what was the last dying word of Napoleon Bonaparte?

TheManWhoFellToEarth - 6 Feb'04 - 22:07 - 2013 of 2153
Hah hah now I've got it Freddie you Failure of a Fragile old Fart. This is your retirement project yuo old Fogey.

Karma Sooty - 6 Feb'04 - 22:08 - 2014 of 2153
TMWFTE

"Josephine"

Do I get the prize.

TheManWhoFellToEarth - 6 Feb'04 - 22:29 - 2015 of 2153
oo oo here's another, which "web" did EB White write about

Agincourt - 6 Feb'04 - 22:33 - 2016 of 2153
TheManWhoFellToEarth = JakNife

Agincourt - 6 Feb'04 - 22:33 - 2017 of 2153
TheManWhoFellToEarth = JakNife

Agincourt - 6 Feb'04 - 22:34 - 2018 of 2153
TheManWhoFellToEarth = JakNife

vanhalen - 6 Feb'04 - 22:51 - 2019 of 2153
Do you think he has lost it Agincourt ?

Agincourt - 6 Feb'04 - 22:52 - 2020 of 2153
.

JakNife - 7 Feb'04 - 08:25 - 2021 of 2153
Your maths looks a little flawed there Agincourt, 1 = 1 but 2 does not equal 1. Let me know when you want to use this board for what it exists for - ie AZH/RSV. In the meantime even spanking VanHalen looks more interesting than last night's exchanges.

Karma Sooty - 7 Feb'04 - 09:36 - 2022 of 2153
We would like all people visiting this board to be aware that the RSV Shareholders Action Group considers most of JakNife's posts to be false and misleading. Indeed JakNife has been reported to the Financial Services Authority because of this. Apart from his boring 'cutting and pasting' routine, he uses pseudo-legal arguments to make his point and is often in error. It is our opinion that JakNife is representing the Market Makers and is 'fishing' for information to help their case. These Market Makers performed a serious market abuse on private investors are presently subject of an enforcement investigation by the FSA. Please do not answer his posts or supply any information.

gonzo123 - 7 Feb'04 - 13:33 - 2023 of 2153
Karma i think you should really consider what your saying about that persons'
posts being false and misleading in reality they're just not true.